Study of Casino Card Games

Dated: 27 Jan 2012
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Ok, we all know that in a regular game that these hands should be raised to get people out and limit the callers.  In a loose passive game, where I am only going to eliminate half of the people at the table (leaving about 4-5 to see the flop) is a preflop raise incorrect?  Do I just want to get limpers in for odds on trips?  I heard somewhere that the worst amount of callers for JJ is 4-6.  Can somebody explain this to me please? 

Answer 1:

I think it’s sensible to rise in this situation even if they’re going to call you.  In fact, in a loose-passive game, I think it’s correct to raise every hand preflop.  (The exception is where the rake would make your raise a negative expectation bet). A lot of people will disagree with my reasons, but the theory remains:

1.  You may take control of the game
2.  If you don’t take control, you may convert it into a loose-aggressive game instead (more profitable)
3.  You disguise your hand if you’re the one doing the betting.
4.  You’re probably getting the best of it over people with garbage hands.
5.  You’re building up the pot so that hands like bottom pair will be enticed to stay in against your set.

Because the value of a hand like JJ lies in two places.  Firstly, the chance that it will stand up at the end by itself.  If you’re playing heads up against almost any two cards, JJ is likely to be some way in front all the way to the end.  So it’s a self-made hand. But in a 7-way pot, if a K, Q, or A comes down, you are probably sunk. It is highly likely that out of 5 cards, one of them will kill your ‘big pair’.  So the value of JJ then lies in flopping a set, whereupon your hand is kind of protected against people with weaker hands.

Answer 2:

“Getting people out” is a pleasant side effect of raising preflop. It is not the reason for raising. Getting money into the pot is reason No. 1! With a big hand one figures to win more than one’s fair share of pots (i.e. more than 25% in a 4-way pot). Hence big hands should build the pot.

The argument for calling with JJ against 4 or so opponents comes from the S&M Hold’em Poker for Advanced Players. The reasons for this are explained mootly and the advice is wrong, according to Abdul’s Turbo sims (and Fekali logic). JJ plays best with a raise
in nearly all types of games.

Answer 3:

In this type of game I rise with AA KK and call with QQ, JJ.  If they are going to call anyway, might as well see if an A or K hits the flop and save some money on your QQ or JJ.

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